Gerry and his pal Matt “Otis” Smith attempt to understand the “Jordan Peterson” phenomenon. A therapist and professor of psychology, Dr. Peterson has spent most of his career toiling away in relative obscurity. His rise to fame has captured the attention of the world. Canonized by some as a new-age hero while being vilified by others for some “dangerous” opinions and commentary, the guys discuss the “phenom” and try to decipher what’s real, what’s BS, and if they should even care.